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How did this get out?!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 459003.ece

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Philothea wrote:
How did this get out?!


I don't know, but “pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist” sounds like Ratzinger and almost every other "world leader" these days.

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Interesting quote from the article:

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When he was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict sternly defended core Roman Catholic doctrines and opposed calls for an ecumenical Third Vatican Council advanced by Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, the liberal former Archbishop of Milan.


I wonder what the author considers "core" Catholic doctrines. In any event, could this article not unintentionally refer to Vatican II?


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More from the article:

Cardinal Giacomo Biffi, 78, who retired as Archbishop of Bologna three years ago, quoted Vladimir Solovyov (1853-1900), the Russian philosopher and mystic, as predicting that the Antichrist “will convoke an ecumenical council and seek the consensus of all the Christian confessions”.

The “masses” would follow the Antichrist, “with the exception of small groups of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants” who would fight to prevent the watering down and ultimate destruction of the faith, he said...


... The choice of Cardinal Biffi raised eyebrows in the Vatican, given his sometimes eccentric views. The cardinal gave a warning of the coming of the Antichrist during his two decades as the Archbishop of Bologna, and said that an “invasion” of Muslim immigrants was undermining Europe’s Christian values.

Cardinal Biffi said that the Antichrist was not necessarily a person but “the reduction of Christianity to an ideology . . . The teaching that the great Russian philosopher left us is that Christianity cannot be reduced to a set of values. At the heart of being a Christian is the personal encounter with Jesus Christ.” But he quoted with approval from Solovyov’s Three Dialogues on War, Progress and the End of History, which suggests that the Antichrist is a real figure.

Cardinal Biffi said that Christianity stood for “absolute values, such as goodness, truth, beauty”. If “relative values” such as “solidarity, love of peace and respect for nature” became absolute, they would encourage “idolatry” and “put obstacles in the way of salvation”.


I don't know anything about Cardinal Biffi but it seems that he may have had an epiphany of sorts. That a voice from within the Novus Ordo heirarchy itself has stepped forward to denounce the Novus Ordo is not something we see very often. And to have those comments publicized! Yes, he'll be made out to seem "eccentric" or an outright old kook and no one will take him seriously. And, yes, very few mainstream news outlets will carry this story. But, so what? Lies are commonplace and in large supply that it's refereshing to see the truth being told.

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I don't know anything about Cardinal Biffi but it seems that he may have had an epiphany of sorts. That a voice from within the Novus Ordo heirarchy itself has stepped forward to denounce the Novus Ordo is not something we see very often. And to have those comments publicized! Yes, he'll be made out to seem "eccentric" or an outright old kook and no one will take him seriously. And, yes, very few mainstream news outlets will carry this story. But, so what? Lies are commonplace and in large supply that it's refereshing to see the truth being tol


William,

I fear you've made quite a leap based upon the evidence that has been presented. For all we know Cardinal Biffi is just a bit odd. I don't see any evidence that he has attacked his own camp, just expressed some opinions about current trends.

The Solovyov things totally scares me. He did convert to Roman Catholicism at the end, but that's no guarantee that the his previous work was noteworthy or orthodox. In fact, apparently Von Balthasar is quoted as saying that Solovyov was the modern equivalent of Aquinas.

At this point all we have is some phrases that seem to please us.


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Geoff Tribbe wrote:
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I don't know anything about Cardinal Biffi but it seems that he may have had an epiphany of sorts. That a voice from within the Novus Ordo heirarchy itself has stepped forward to denounce the Novus Ordo is not something we see very often. And to have those comments publicized! Yes, he'll be made out to seem "eccentric" or an outright old kook and no one will take him seriously. And, yes, very few mainstream news outlets will carry this story. But, so what? Lies are commonplace and in large supply that it's refereshing to see the truth being tol


William,

I fear you've made quite a leap based upon the evidence that has been presented. For all we know Cardinal Biffi is just a bit odd. I don't see any evidence that he has attacked his own camp, just expressed some opinions about current trends.

The Solovyov things totally scares me. He did convert to Roman Catholicism at the end, but that's no guarantee that the his previous work was noteworthy or orthodox. In fact, apparently Von Balthasar is quoted as saying that Solovyov was the modern equivalent of Aquinas.

At this point all we have is some phrases that seem to please us.


I tend to agree. Please note the following quote from the article:

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The “masses” would follow the Antichrist, “with the exception of small groups of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants” who would fight to prevent the watering down and ultimate destruction of the faith, he said...


Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Orthdoox and the Protestants, by definition, "water down the faith"? Just how, pray tell, are the Orthodox and Protestants going to to prevent what their very existence is meant to do?

The only "small groups" who will do anything to prevent the "watering down and ultimate destruction of the faith" are those small groups of traditional Catholics who reject this sort of ecumenical pap.


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Geoff:

I know I got a little excited there. And you are correct: I may be reading more into this than is actually there. I'm just stunned by the fact that this Cardinal would have the gumption to say what he said. Whether or not he did so unwittingly we may never know. And, yes, perhaps he is simply a little odd [Which is something my family says about me too]. :lol:

This was no doubt an embarassing moment for Newvatican. Not so much because of what was said, but because of who sad it - an insider. Of course, I don't believe anything will come of this. [After all, Newvatican has its mission and it will not be deterred]. But, how ironic that the cardinal chosen to lead the Newvatican's Lenten meditations should make comments that would lead to "consternation". It's good to see that despite its best intentions, even the Novus Ordo can't keep the truth from slipping out.

However, your word to the wise is well taken.

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“with the exception of small groups of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants”


So he thinks the true false church will consist of those few false ecumenists who remain faithful to the real false ecumenism.

This is nothing to get excited about...the Cardinal is like an old liberal who can't figure out what went wrong.


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...perhaps he is simply a little odd [Which is something my family says about me too].


Welcome to the club!. I wish it was just my family that was aware of it. :)


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