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The so-called traditionnal dominican monks of Avrillé (France) have published a study which claimed that the pope is the head of two churches (the catholic one and the conciliar one). They wrote that there is one hierarchy for two churches.
The SSPX on its website dici.org has repeated the same arguments.
It's so stupid to say that the pope can be the head of two churches (one catholic and one non-catholic) that I haven't found any quotes from the Fathers/Saints against such a statement... Do you have any ?

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PS : http://www.dici.org/actualite_read.php?id=1424


Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:57 pm
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Gesta Dei Per Francos wrote:
Do you have any ?


No, the notion is too strange to have been considered, I agree.

But there is always Bellarmine: "it is proven with arguments from authority and from reason that the manifest heretic is ipso facto deposed. The argument from authority is based on St. Paul (Titus, c. 3), who orders that the heretic be avoided after two warnings, that is, after showing himself to be manifestly obstinate - which means before any excommunication or judicial sentence. And this is what St. Jerome writes, adding that the other sinners are excluded from the Church by sentence of excommunication, but the heretics exile themselves and separate themselves by their own act from the body of Christ. Now, a Pope who remains Pope cannot be avoided, for how could we be required to avoid our own head? How can we separate ourselves from a member united to us?"

Apparently the difficulty of "avoiding one's head" has been solved by the SSPX. They don't explain how, because they never explicitly admit the difficulty. But perhaps this "head of two churches" business is an implicit admission that there is a real difficulty lurking there. In any case it may be helpful to confront them with this text and ask them why they don't feel the force of this difficulty which apparently for this Doctor of the Church was insoluble. At least if they have better knowledge than St. Robert they could condescend to tell the rest of us what it is.

What do you think?

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Another point that the Dominicans could ponder is the visible unity of the Church. If there really is a distinct organisation which is identifiable by the title, Conciliar Church (as there is), of which Ratzinger is evidently the leader (which he is, as they admit), then if we posit the notion that he is also visible head of the Catholic Church, we destroy her visible unity. This seems to me to be axiomatic.

It seems according to this theory that they make the Catholic Church a kind of Jekyll & Hyde monster consisting of open Modernists and traditional Catholics – and thus destroy any sound understanding of her visible unity in Faith and Charity.

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The Church is the unspotted bride of Christ. His dove, His love, His perfect one. How is it then possible to imagine the Mystical Body of Our Lord with such a deformity? A tumour of 40 years + growth, which has all but swallowed up the rest, disfiguring and marring Her beauty - which is Her holiness - beyond recognition. It is unthinkable.


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