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Enough of private revelation. We're living Apocalypse 12. Look at Fr. Herman Kramer's commentary on it in his The Book of Destiny (1955) pp. 275 ff. Fr. Kramer spent 30 years working on this exegesis, completing it in 1955, a mere 6 years before Vatican II. I only present his probable conclusions, but if you want to see his logical reasons, backed up by Church Fathers, read his entire commentary on Chapter 12.

v. 1: "And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:"
Fr. Kramer, pp. 276-7 wrote:
The woman of chapter twelve is not the Blessed Virgin Mary.

According to the ancient Fathers, the human nature or character of the Church is here delineated, while in chapters four and five her divine nature and prerogatives were depicted.

The twelve stars represent the twelve apostles; or they may be God’s mystical number symbolizing the Christian nations, that as a contrast to the ten crowned horns of the beast, shall be the glory of the Church when the days of Antichrist approach.

The moon under her feet has ever been understood to symbolize the unchanging and unchangeable character of the Church.


v. 2: "And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered."
Fr. Kramer, p. 278 wrote:
In that travail, she gives birth to some definite “per­son” who is to RULE the Church with a rod of iron (verse 5). It then points to a conflict waged within the Church to elect one who was to “rule all nations” in the manner clearly stated. In accord with the text this is unmistakably a PAPAL ELECTION, for only Christ and His Vicar have the divine right to rule ALL NATIONS. Furthermore, the Church does not travail in anguish at EVERY papal election which can be held without trouble or danger. But at this time the great powers may take a menacing attitude to hinder the election of the logical and expected candidate by threats of a general apostasy, assassination or imprisonment of this candidate if elected. This would suppose an extremely hostile mind in the governments of Europe towards the Church and would cause intense anguish to the Church, because an extended interregnum in the papacy is always disastrous and more so in a time of universal persecution. If Satan would contrive to hinder a papal election, the Church would suffer great travail.


v. 3: "And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems:"
Fr. Kramer, pg. 279 wrote:
This red dragon it is that brings the Church into great distress at that time.

No fiercer enemy of God and man has appeared in Christian times than Communism, and strange to say, RED is its emblematic color. Communism may by that time have gained control of the governments of Europe, It would then erect almost insurmountable difficulties for the holding of a conclave to elect a pope.

Satan knows how exten­sively an interregnum in the papacy would favor his success in recovering his ancient lordship over the world. (See 2 Thess II. 7 ["For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way."]).
Card. Manning's 1862 argument for why the Antichrist will be within the Catholic Church is simple:
Card. Manning wrote:
We have here [2 Thessalonians 2:3-11] a prophecy … of a [spiritual*] revolt, which shall precede the second coming of our Lord … The authority, then, from which the revolt is to take place is that of the kingdom of God on earth, prophesied by Daniel [cf. Daniel 2] as the kingdom which the God of heaven should set up … in other words, the one and universal Church, founded by our Divine Lord, and spread by His Apostles throughout the world. In this one only kingdom was deposited the true and supernatural pure theism, or knowledge of God, and the true and only faith of God incarnate, with the doctrines and laws of grace. This, then, is the authority from which the revolt is to be made, be that revolt what it may.
[*"St. Jerome, with some others, interprets this revolt to be the rebellion of the nations or provinces against the Roman Empire. … They have revolted, and no manifestation has appeared." Thus, the revolt is spiritual, not temporal.]
{Lect. 1 of Temporal Power of the Vicar of Christ's 2nd part (4 lectures), "The Perpetual Conflict of the Vicar of Christ", pp. 81-173}

v. 4: "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son."
Fr. Kramer, p. 284 wrote:
Some eminent cardinal may be particularly outstanding in his efforts to stem the tide of demoralization of bishops and priests. Satan will know, and the world-powers will know, that he is the likely choice for the papacy, and that if elected, he will convoke a general council and exercise his supreme jurisdiction to inaugurate measures of reform. Satan knows that his own hopes of a rich harvest of souls will then be dashed to the ground. Hence he must avert the election or have the pope assassinated when elected. The judgment is about to begin “at the house of God” (1 Peter IV. 17). The influence of the dragon will every­ where aim to subject the Church to the state. This persecution is thus a political subjugation, and one third of the bishops and priests will be ripe for apostasy. Satan’s intention is to subject the newly-elected pope also to the purposes of the World-powers or to plot his death. He may contrive an assurance of safety and immunity from harm for the cardinals to convene for the election the more easily to take the pope-elect prisoner. The dragon will want to intimidate the new pope into non-interference—to let affairs run and develop as heretofore. In that way would he “devour the son”, absorb the papacy and alone direct and rule the world.
"Subject[ing] the Church to the state" is exactly what Dignatitis Humanæ and Vatican II ecumenism did, too.

v. 5: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne."
Fr. Kramer, p. 285-6 wrote:
A general council may decree the reforms, but the pope must enforce them. These decrees will be the “seven thunders” mentioned in chapter ten.

The clause, “that he might devour her son”, does not necessarily mean assassination. The dragon is a symbolic form of the evil world-powers, who will resent the existence of a spiritual empire among them and through them and independent of them in its essential functions and will attempt to subject this empire to their will and service. They will try to make the Church a “state church” everywhere. This is possible only if they can subject the pope to their wills and compel him to teach and rule as they direct. That would be literally devouring the papacy. Since they are defeated in this, they have the pope assassinated and “he is taken up to God and to His throne”, just as Christ by His death “was taken away from distress” (Is. LIII. 8).

this “son” will hardly have time to purify the Church, before he is persecuted, imprisoned and martyred. He is therefore surely not Christ.

This pope will be given the power to rule over the destiny of the Church immediately from Heaven. He carries out the will of God and loses his life in consequence; and immediately as part of his reward, he receives in Heaven patronage over the Church on earth.
Could this "man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod" be Card. Siri? If so, it's comforting that "he receives in Heaven patronage over the Church on earth."

The following verses show the triumph of St. Michael, a newly elected Pope, and cardinals who uphold and enforce the "Seven Thunders" of the orthodox council.

Keep reading. It's fascinating. And it's public revelation.

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There is another book on the Apocalypse which is very difficult to find. It was written by Fr. E. Sylvester Berry, and published in 1921. It's title is "The Apocalypse of St. John". It has a different focus than Fr. Kramer, but is certainly complementary. I will gladly send a photo copy of this book to anyone who asks for it, although it will take me some time to get it done.

Anyone who wants a copy of this book, please PM me.

I consider this book to be at least as good as Fr. Kramer's, and possibly better.

I remember reading some time ago that there would be several interpreters of the Apocalypse who would appear when they were most needed, and who would penetrate the veils which have obscured for centuries a true understanding of much of St. John's important book.

I have believed for a long time that Fr. Kramer, Fr. Berry, and Cardinal Manning were three of those. There may be others.

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Apparently Fr. Berry's book has been reprinted: I just checked on Amazon.com, and the book is available for $13.50. I am pleased.

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Even better news, the book is available from Archive.org for FREE! Here it is for all interested: https://archive.org/details/theapocalypseofs00berruoft

Alan, I got a used copy of "The Book of Destiny" from Amazon for under 10 bucks including shipping. Thanks for the recommendation, it looks fascinating.

Too much to read, too little time.


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And Berry's Apocalypse is here: http://strobertbellarmine.net/books/Ber ... alypse.pdf (and has been for years...) :)

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Thanks, John. I had forgotten it was there.

By the way, my edition is the first, as is yours, and the link that Thomas provided. My edition has a fairly significant printing error in what I consider to be an important part of Fr. Berry's commentary concerning the antichrist.

I will dig that out and post it here. I would dearly love to find a later edition in which that error was corrected.

Or perhaps, my edition was defective, while yours isn't. I'll check that out first.

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John Lane wrote:
And Berry's Apocalypse is here: http://strobertbellarmine.net/books/Ber ... alypse.pdf (and has been for years...) :)
Excellent
thank you

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Gentlemen: the place in Fr. Berry's book in which the printing error occurs is entitled, "PERSECUTIONS OF THE CHURCH AND FALL OF THE PAGAN EMPIRE AT ROME, Chapter VI" I don't yet have a page number.

The relevant passage begins thus:

"With this chapter begin those symbolic visions in which the entire history of the Church is unfolded before us. The first part (chapters vi-viii) extends from the . . . of Antichrist.", the ellipsis indicating missing words and/or formatting.

Then follows the correct parts as follows:

"Some of the prophecies in this part have been fulfilled, as a comparison with the events of the past nineteen centuries will show."

If anyone has the missing bits, I would really, really like to have those to complete the MS-Word version of this book I have been working on.

Parts of the above passage have been mistakenly printed twice, while other parts are missing.

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Ken Gordon wrote:
If anyone has the missing bits, I would really, really like to have those to complete the MS-Word version of this book I have been working on.
This book is OCRed and available from Archive.org.

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Fr. Berry's commentary on Apocalypse 12 begins here.

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Ken Gordon wrote:
Gentlemen: the place in Fr. Berry's book in which the printing error occurs is entitled, "PERSECUTIONS OF THE CHURCH AND FALL OF THE PAGAN EMPIRE AT ROME, Chapter VI" I don't yet have a page number.

The relevant passage begins thus:

"With this chapter begin those symbolic visions in which the entire history of the Church is unfolded before us. The first part (chapters vi-viii) extends from the . . . of Antichrist.", the ellipsis indicating missing words and/or formatting.

Then follows the correct parts as follows:

"Some of the prophecies in this part have been fulfilled, as a comparison with the events of the past nineteen centuries will show."

If anyone has the missing bits, I would really, really like to have those to complete the MS-Word version of this book I have been working on.

Parts of the above passage have been mistakenly printed twice, while other parts are missing.


Page 69, Ken. https://archive.org/stream/theapocalyps ... 8/mode/2up

Yes, it looks as if a line has been omitted. My copy's the same.

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So far, all copies we have listed here are the First Edition: might anyone have a later edition in which this may have been corrected?

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A site, possibly of interest:

http://www.thirdorderofsaintdominic.org ... nings.html

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Ken Gordon wrote:
This looks similar to TAN Books's The Prophets and Our Times by Rev. R. Gerald Culleton.

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Alan Aversa wrote:
Ken Gordon wrote:
This looks similar to TAN Books's The Prophets and Our Times by Rev. R. Gerald Culleton.

Yes, but not quite. It is much "compressed". It is an excellent compendium, although, at the moment, full of various inconsequential, but somewhat annoying (to me) typos.

I might also recommend a book, published in 1873, written by "Pelegrino" or Fr. Gaudentius Rossi, a Passionist priest, entitled "The Christian Trumpet" which is available on our website as a PDF here:

http://www.eclipseofthechurch.com/Libra ... rumpet.pdf

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Ken Gordon wrote:
I might also recommend a book, published in 1873, written by "Pelegrino" or Fr. Gaudentius Rossi, a Passionist priest, entitled "The Christian Trumpet" which is available on our website as a PDF here:

http://www.eclipseofthechurch.com/Libra ... rumpet.pdf
thanks

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Interesting I need to re-read the book. I never finished it, you just gave me enough bait to go back to reading it fully from start to finish. Excellent post Alan! I am still trying to wrap my head around it, Father is truly a prophet!

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