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Interesting, yes. However, the Dimonds continue to repeat their earlier error by insisting that JPII was The AntiChrist. According to all those in the past history of the Church who have described The AntiChrist, he will hold all power on earth, religious, military, and economic. JPII, for all his evil, certainly held none of those.

In my own opinion, ALL of the recent anti-popes, beginning with Roncalli, are collectively the Precursor of AntiChrist.

In a word, "we ain't seen nothin' yet", or "the 'best' is yet to come."

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Ken Gordon wrote:
Interesting, yes. However, the Dimonds continue to repeat their earlier error by insisting that JPII was The AntiChrist. According to all those in the past history of the Church who have described The AntiChrist, he will hold all power on earth, religious, military, and economic. JPII, for all his evil, certainly held none of those.

In my own opinion, ALL of the recent anti-popes, beginning with Roncalli, are collectively the Precursor of AntiChrist.

In a word, "we ain't seen nothin' yet", or "the 'best' is yet to come."


Agreed! And glad to "see" you back Ken! :)

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Cristian Jacobo wrote:
Agreed! And glad to "see" you back Ken! :)


Hello, Cristian.

Please include me and my family in your prayers. I have you in ours.

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Ken Gordon wrote:
Cristian Jacobo wrote:
Agreed! And glad to "see" you back Ken! :)


Hello, Cristian.

Please include me and my family in your prayers. I have you in ours.


Yes Ken, I will! Thanks!

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Ken Gordon wrote:
According to all those in the past history of the Church who have described The AntiChrist, he will hold all power on earth, religious, military, and economic.
Perhaps JPII did, but do the Fathers maintain that the power The Antichrist holds be executed, manifestly to all, in all those domains? Viz., do they rule out the possibility of The Antichrist executing his "omnipotence" through secret societies?

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Alan Aversa wrote:
Ken Gordon wrote:
According to all those in the past history of the Church who have described The AntiChrist, he will hold all power on earth, religious, military, and economic.
Perhaps JPII did, but do the Fathers maintain that the power The Antichrist holds be executed, manifestly to all, in all those domains? Viz., do they rule out the possibility of The Antichrist executing his "omnipotence" through secret societies?

Of course that is possible. After all, St. John says that anyone who is against Christ is "an antichrist".

But, as I remember it, the words used were, "....he would be recognized by all as holding all power: religious, economic, and military..." which includes all political power also.

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Another "apocalyptic" question I've had relates to Matt. 16:18: "The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church."

Do the Fathers specify what is meant by "Church" in this context? Is it just Church Militant or all three churches together: Church Militant, Church Triumphant, and Church Suffering? If the latter case, then it's not contrary to Matt. 16:18 that there could be no more Catholics, or at least no Church hierarchy, on earth.

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Alan Aversa wrote:
Another "apocalyptic" question I've had relates to Matt. 16:18: "The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church."

Do the Fathers specify what is meant by "Church" in this context? Is it just Church Militant or all three churches together: Church Militant, Church Triumphant, and Church Suffering? If the latter case, then it's not contrary to Matt. 16:18 that there could be no more Catholics, or at least no Church hierarchy, on earth.


Absolutely the Church Militant, Alan. No escape there. :)

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Alan Aversa wrote:
Do the Fathers specify what is meant by "Church" in this context?

There was no need for them to specify: it was understood from the context of all that went before and with their own statements: it meant, and still does, the Church Militant only.

It is obvious that neither the Church Suffering nor the Church Triumphant is in danger from Hell in any way. They are completely safe.

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